THE ASTROLOGY of POSITIONS, PERSPECTIVES, & METAPHYSICS
by Boots Hart, CAP

Wednesday, March 4, 2015

The 14 Virgo Full Moon



The Moon at dawn
(photo credit: Mike Lewinski, December 2012)
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There’s a Full Moon in Virgo this Thursday. Occurring at 18:07 (aka 6:07 in the evening), its position at 14 degrees highlights our ability to pay attention and focus on effect and detail with some emphasis on hand-done work, handicrafts and -given Virgo tradition - how we ‘handle’ things (or people). Yet this degree also speaks to lacks, most of which have little (or at least less) to do with what we do on our own and which surface when or where we deal with others. Traditions and that which is ‘traditional’ is held as important and virtually ‘clung’ to with this degree, emphasizing the known, the cherished ... all of the ‘comfortable’ (or comforting) feelings.

But of course, as with any Full Moon story, the Moon’s position is only half the story. The feeling half, yes. The half we will tend to react or respond to? Absolutely.

Still, there is another side to things here, and with a Full Moon, that ‘other side’ is the Sun - emblem of that life, that ‘light’ which the Moon, in coming to its Full phase, reflects.

Which yes, is worth reflecting on for a moment.


The 14 Virgo Full Moon (glyph chart)
March 5, 2015 - 18-07 (UT +0) - Aries Wheel (Location Not Specific)
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The 14 Virgo Full Moon (text chart)
March 5, 2015 - 18-07 (UT +0) - Aries Wheel (Location Not Specific)
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So with the Moon at 14 Virgo, the Sun is at 14 Pisces, a degree known for serving up a decent helping of fairly good luck which unfortunately tends to get dished out in simple (or simplistic) forms which may not be sufficiently sophisticated to get the job done ... for which reason (as one writer puts it) the luck associated with 14 Pisces often ‘runs out’ unless there is (in the case of a 14 Pisces placement in a natal chart) there is support coming from other parts of the chart (i.e., other attributes in the personality, other people in the native’s life, etc.).

And that idea in a Full Moon chart? That means the Sun of this Full Moon will trend towards positive or negative according to how it’s aspected, and for those living on the planet this Full Moon is going to grace (that being you, me and everyone/everything else on Earth) that starts with the Moon in opposition (not always the world’s friendliest aspect) and goes on from there.

Plus let’s not forget ... this is the last Full Moon before the March 20th total solar eclipse.

In case you’re curious about the lunar eclipse which goes with this solar eclipsing of 29 Pisces (and fixed star Scheat, which happens to be positioned at 29 Pisces), this season’s Libra lunar eclipse happens after the solar eclipse, telling us to expect the emotionalism which accompanies any eclipse season to occur after the 20th.

But enough about that - back to our March 5th Full Moon, one which it interesting in its own right as it happens to be occurring hours prior to  Neptune exiting and ending its 2014 cycle, an idea which fits interestingly with the idea that any Full Moon is, among other things, the end of a ‘waxing’  phase based in (or on) ‘increase.’

Does this mean that some things will now be shown to be an illusion? Maybe - although the combination of Neptune and Virgo would probably be more akin to the ‘dissolving’ of something, be it a notion we may have held onto ...some relationship, or some effort we have been determined to carry through on (or maintain).

Where Neptune’s ‘dissolving’ of some curtain or veil causes us to see something we had hoped would be otherwise, we’re likely to be disappointed.

We’re even likely to not want to do ‘that’ again - which despite the pain or frustration of the moment really is Neptune in Pisces representing the need to face our own feelings facing off against the Full Moon in Virgo as life demonstrating what reality (and realities) really are.

As for the Sun side of this Full Moon, recalling how the degree references speak of 14 Pisces as needing support from other parts of a chart in order to bring the degree’s good luck into play, that list only starts with Moon-opposition-Sun.

For one, the Moon is conjunct Black Moon Lilith at 10 Virgo with Lilith exactly inconjunct Mars and the South Node at 10 Aries ... with the Moon itself inconjunct Uranus and Venus.



Inconjuncts denote ‘adjustments’ or the process of ‘adjusting.’ So both of these connection denote something which ‘shifts,’ or some dynamic which we respond to by shifting or adjusting something. Uranus-Venus speaks to instability or changes (or the changeability) of values or qualities of liking which at the moment aren’t being fully met anyway - that coming as a note about Venus in Aries. Some of us will like ourselves for standing up or for doing things we aren’t comfortable with while Venus is in Aries, though this isn’t Venus in any truly ‘receptive’ or particularly giving mode.

The thing to understand here about our ability to get what we want to get, however ... (that being the Venus part of things) ... is that this doesn’t come from a position of self-assurance. Venus in one of the signs of its rulership (Taurus or Libra) feels rewarded when others prosper ... partially because when passing through those signs Venus represents the type of warmth of feeling which inspires gratitude and a bountiful return of (and on) good deed incarnate.

Yet while transiting Aries (as opposed to a natal Venus in Aries, which operates somewhat differently), Venus is more - even most often a sign of want and wanting. In other words, nothing seems like it’s ‘enough’ or the ‘right thing.’ It could be fine. Things can be going along with nary a hitch - and sometimes that’s what’s wrong, people are bored. They want excitement. Venus in Aries often manifests with a feeling that there’s no fun, no romance, nothing to look forward to in life - and in that, it prompts us to dislike that so much that we do something about it.

In other words, sometimes irritation, boredom and frustration are motivations.

Then again, sometimes they’re just energy wasted and opportunities lost.

Which is which is somewhat of the question here, and with these twin inconjuncts from motivation, action-oriented Mars and desirous-if-unpredictable Uranus/Venus in a tussle with a Virgo Full Moon conjunct Black Moon Lilith (with the Moon trine Pluto, which is a drizzle of obsessiveness stirred into the mix)... sense and sensibility aren’t always going to match - not yours, and not that of others you're interacting with or listening to out there in the Big World.

There’s a lot of disbelief (rejection, denial and flat-out refusing to listen and think things through) going around, and that's of every type on every subject possible. So something may get said or something may happen and you may be totally astounded ... and the person next to you may yawn ... and the person sitting beyond them may not be surprised at the idea, they're just didn't believe anything would ever really happen.

Things are going to be unpredictable. And surprising. There’s a lot which wants to get done, and much in the way of personal insight which will ultimately drive whatever choices come to be made.

Continuing on with aspects, one of our favorites (I’m being sarcastic here ...) is putting in a Full Moon appearance: Pluto (which is sextile and Sun and trine the Full Moon) is square Mars, exactly square Venus and one degree off that exactness in squaring Uranus.


In being conjunct fixed star Vega by degree, Pluto represents a transformative force coming through ... or operating on something which has, or which has had 'charismatic' appeal. Notorious for expressions of potency positive and negative, this conjunction represents the purging of internal shadows,  often through projection of whatever is considered most incorrect or unacceptable about the Self (whether real or dreaded) onto others with a passion which is far more about fear of and for that Self than anything else.

In square to Uranus, this process can be electrifying and fascinating - or exciting and the sort of real eye-opener you're happy you didn't miss. But then again, this square can be the very essence of trying to escape those changes and realities about one's Self which though not particularly appealing are both inescapable and (in all likelihood) not as terrible as we think except for what we think of, and about them. Our current time seems awash with this square; since its formulation (by orb) began back in 2010 life has been full of an inexorable, implacable challenge to change our Selves which being human, we’ve tried to foist on everybody but our Self.

It doesn’t work. It won’t work. But we seem determined to make everything as difficult (i.e., as 'un-charismatic') as we can before learning there are only so many structural members which can be created, denied or destroyed (those being the Pluto keywords) before karma comes home to roost.

That 'un-charismatic' part would be courtesy of Pluto-Venus connections, which whatever they may be and wherever they might surface would and will always be Plutonically intense. 

And with Pluto trine the Moon, there’s a lot of ongoing emotional energy going into efforts to achieve valued or valuable ends which are now being either set off or offset by forces unpredictable (or unpredicted) which, when we consider Pluto sextile Sun says we can change things ... or that this is when there’s that change of luck referenced by 14 Pisces. That change could be for the better or for the worse, with the good-or-bad of same being that the net of whatever happens is something we probably couldn’t have predicted, and how its something we don’t or can’t control - or influenced by something we can’t control, resist, do away with or ignore.

Of course there is that critical Pluto factor which is known as where you're starting from. What I mean is that Pluto is the energy of transformation, or that which transforms us - which means changing what you come into this period with, as, doing, thinking (etcetera) since that is your current status quo. So for some, Pluto/Vega indicates increase, where for others it will indicate decrease - or maybe disruption as opposed to harmony.

Then there’s one other little detail - namely the fact that Pluto and the Sun are not just linked by just any old sextile of opportunity, but by one which is part of a Yod.



And that complicates things yet again - at least for a lot of us. It brings things 'back around,' in some sense. How and why will be entirely individual - depending on your chart. But the Yod itself feels rather fateful as 'moments of Yod' (which sounds odd) are composed of two inconjuncts (two separate adjustments) which emanate from a single point, which in this case is Jupiter retrograde at 14 Leo.

From that point - which would be our opinion on how things are (or should be) - we regard or have to consider (or take into consideration) two things which we are going to have to deal with simultaneously (either internally or externally). And to do that, we’re going to have to undertake some (adjustment or adjusting) process which is either foreign as a process or which is bound to lead to something other than what we were thinking - which with Jupiter in Leo isn’t defined as our first, second ... or even third choice.

But still, if we want to get anywhere, we’re going to have to stop insisting that we are in control - especially in our own heads.

And that, nobody’s likely to love.

But there is some good news here, namely that Yods are one of the few astrological configurations (or ‘planetary pictures,’ as they say in astrology texts) which come with instructions on how to find their ‘solution’ point. That point - astrologically - is immediately opposite the joint ‘base’ of the inconjuncts (the Jupiter of it all here) and half way between the two points which are in sextile (the Sun and Pluto).

In other words, the solution here is found at 14 Aquarius - a degree known for unusually eccentric expressions (physical, verbal and otherwise) and challenges or challenging status quos which are not of one’s making. There are too many variables (and unknowns in your individual chart) to make any sort of predictions here, but if your chart has a planet, dwarf planet, node, axis or cusp point at 14 Aquarius, this Full Moon has your name on it - don’t shy away from your challenges!

With all this said however, let’s go back and remember Neptune’s little part in this play. No matter how seemingly insignificant the ripple through our life seems to be, Neptune’s motions and effects unsettle us from within ... not because we’re actually weak or endangered, but because once we adopt something as part of our life, even if it’s a negative we’re going to feel ‘different’ when it disappears.

At least for a little while.

And we’re not going to know everything ... at least for a little while.

And we’re going to vacillate back and forth between an excruciating awareness of others (many of whom seem to be in some fog) and being that person lost in some thought.

A Full Moon under every circumstance is an upwelling of feelings, an outpouring of fervency and whatever actions reflect our convictions, our hopes, our agonies and desires.

And yet ... it is a phase. Unlike the lunar eclipse which lasts three months - or the solar eclipse which evolves over a full three years (36 months) this Thursday’s Full Moon is a moment in time, a passage through our own feeling core, a chance to reflect on what is darkness and what is light, not only in our world or the world ... but in our own spirit, soul and human life.
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Sunday, March 1, 2015

Dateblog: March 2015


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March looks to be a month which begins with a few challenges (or our challenging ourselves) and which ends with things moving more or less in a desired direction ... PROVIDING that desire doesn’t include any gaining of ‘new ground’ (whatever that term might mean to you in your life) or thinking that everything which anyone says, thinks, writes or undertakes to do is to be taken on faith - or guaranteed, come what may.

None of this means that in due time you can’t get to some particular goal you have in mind. But it does say there’s a certain suggestion that ultimate fruition isn’t going to happen now except in a few rather tightly defined cases.

And what are those cases defined by?

The answer there is Saturn, symbol of time, dedication, effort, slow growth (sometimes very slow), structures and structuring things, responsibility, durability, regulation and much, much else which though not entirely frivolous and fun is nevertheless what allows us to achieve, to earn what we get from life and to be known for who we are.

(And who we have been. Don’t forget that part!)

So when is the ‘dividing line’ here? That would be around March 13-16 - a period of three days during which Juno (management) goes direct, Saturn goes retrograde and Venus wraps up a couple of weeks of sometimes less-than-inspiring transiting through Aries, a sign which doesn’t give us any of those Venus hugs and compliments we humans need in some measure merely as reassurance of connection with others.

After all, no (wo)man is an island, as they say.

Once Venus gets into Taurus, we can expect better reception and better results as Venus’ primary function as a signal of good will (even love) begins to function in our favor as of the 17th.

Yet that is just a couple of days shy of the March 20th (29 Pisces) solar eclipse, so we know there are places where all Venus in Taurus is going to mean is that some form of comfort and security ... or things which make us feel comforted or feel secure (even though that may be something of a lie) is being eradicated and ‘eclipsed’ precisely because the ‘old’ way of doing things or thinking no longer holds.

As the eclipse rolls through, Mars (which is in Aries, its sign of sole rulership) will just have moved into Aries’ third decanate - the degrees between 20 and 29 which in any sign are where the matters associated with that sign are all around us, in our workplace or society - or going on ‘out there’ in the world. So that which is happening (wherever) is nothing we precisely control, although we may well have to respond to it. Or maybe we just want to respond or participate.

Mars in Aries is a willful kind of energy which ‘pushes’ to do things and to stand behind statements of personal ego, all of which may be being expressed in the world - and which some of us will be surprised by. Or even enraged by. Its always to be expected that under Mars in Aries people are going to do things which harm or hurt, and since Aries is the sign of our ‘self-identity’ (including ego) expressions of that identity/ego, things which will get said or done (some in haste) during March - and this is a reference to the whole of March - which end up getting retracted, edited, softened, rephrased, repaired or ignored. During that period when Venus is also in Aries there will tend to be several camps: the helpless or ill-informed and those who willingly join in the fray, drawn in by a need to feel their own vitality ... and at least some among us will start there and get ‘corrected’ as we move through the Pisces eclipse.

But for others, March begins with life on ‘hold.’ And if this is you, and if you’re also someone whose chart ‘answers’ to 4 degrees of Sagittarius (by any aspect) you may find Saturn’s station removes some limit, blockade or impediment.

Some of this may well have to do with March 2015 also being month full of fire signs - fire being the element which imagines and envisions ... but which isn’t always based in fact or on pre-existing schedules, realities and (oh yes ...) those inconvenient little notions we call ‘human nature.’ 

  Legend: blue/water, brown/earth, light blue/air, dark blue/water
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With all of March being so ‘fiery’ - especially with Mars passing through Aries, this is going to be a month when things will manifest ‘loudly’ and when the impacts made on the individual level (or which originate on the individual level) need to be thought through.

Theoretically, Saturn’s presence in Sagittarius (with Sagittarius being ruled by Jupiter in retrograde) says there are things in life or ‘in our way’ which are going to promote thought simply by delaying the possibility of success. Still, there’s nothing about this pair of placements which says what is going to get thought about. And with Mercury in Pisces for much of the month, there will also be a high emotional/evocative quotient lurking about which, apart from where its put to use in understanding emotions or discussing how and why such feelings exist, is apt to be too ill-defined to clarify misconceptions on a purely or randomly individual basis. In fact, some individuals are likely to be so filled with whatever they’re feeling as to avoid any new input specifically because they’re sort of out of emotional processing space.

Remember - there’s a solar eclipse this month in Pisces and at the greatest intensity of depth the sign is ‘designed’ (metaphysically) to evoke precisely because some of those feelings are ‘old hat,’ outmoded and pertaining to a past everyone is faced with having to let go of as Earth (and everything which resides on Earth) faces the need to integrate as individuals and on the individual level as well as on a global and planetary level. Incidents here and there are highlighting just how much we need each other and how dependent we are on societal structures which are relatively new in comparison with humanity’s older and more settled ways - the high-rise fire in Dubai’s ‘Torch Tower’ (an ironic name, yes) occurred with the Moon - a symbol of home - at 29 Pisces (the degree of the incoming eclipse).


Both charts above are cast for 2 a.m. in Dubai, U.A.E., and though some of the
reports as to exactly what time fire broke out are varying by some minutes,
given the rate at which the angles (and Moon) were moving, the association
of the 29 Pisces Moon in this chart and the IC (or Nadir) is a constant.
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Fortunately no one died. Even better, what this would seem to say about the eclipse is that where we have done well in constructing or ‘structuring’ the framework upon which other things rest and our ability to react in a structured manner we survive ... perhaps not unscathed, as incidents under Pisces often leave (or reveal) emotional dents which are particularly hard to resolve because they tend to be based in real events which have had a real (and realistic) effect on us as people.

And that leads to the heart and soul of Pisces - a sign which ultimately exists to remind us of what really matters in the end: life itself.
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Astrologer's Note: This post originally went up with two copies of the month by element - an 'oops' which has now been corrected. Sorry if anyone got confused!

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Friday, February 27, 2015

Huya and 28 Scorpio


An artist's impression of object 38628 - the Plutino we call Huya
(image credit: Lanthanum 138, May 2001)
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It strikes me as an interesting thing that we don’t hear all that much about the astrological Huya. After all, it’s a Plutino - just like Ixion (shudder), Orcus (sigh) and Pluto (do I have to?) are.

And no - we don’t hear all that much about Orcus and Ixion, either. But maybe we should.

And maybe Huya deserves a little respect. After all, it’s not your common Plutino. (As if any Plutino is commonplace?) Defined as objects which have orbits controlled nebulously, magnetically and astrologically alluringly by Neptune - which in its role as planetary Plutino puppet master acts as the very essence of idealism and illusion - Plutinos generally represent things which tempt us oh-so alluringly: Pluto temps with the thought of being able to control things and have our way ... Ixion tempts us to think we don’t have to care about standards, promises or anyone else and Orcus - by its ability to confront us with truths which stem from things we can no longer change tempts us to frenetic denials and bluffs of various types.

But Huya? Named for a Venezuelan rain god, Huya represents that very painful thing we learn in life ... and that life can be painful ... and how by taking that hurt, by thinking through that painful experience we can become stronger and actually emboldened by deciding to either expose the pitfall we fell into to others (so they don’t do likewise) or to push past those injuries of the past in such a way that we become embodied as someone who can help others recognize there is possibility ... there is viability ... there is personal satisfaction and success to be found through standing against and working to dismantle that which demeans, which cripples, which destroys possibilities for productivity, creativity and the simple blessings of life for others.

And that’s hardly the stuff of personal allure. Where with Pluto, Orcus and Ixion we tend to be the ‘source’ of our conflict, Huya speaks to a conflict we experience but must then examine and work past, and let’s face it ... nobody’s delighted with having to pick up the pieces.

So where’s the common thread?

That thread would be in the transformational experience Plutinos signify. We associate the word ‘transformation’ with Pluto and that’s correct - but it would also seem that every Plutino times out periods of transformation when they periodically transit our chart.

To say nothing of where such points reside in our chart.

Plutinos can all become a great gift. To the extent we get our ego out of the way and become willing to accept our part in things without trying to control them, undermine them (that being the Neptune part) we can be or become lynchpin for change - and by being that lynchpin enrich our own lives and those of others immeasurably.

What we can’t do is decide that such successes (whatever form they take) are about our brilliance or greatness or ‘heroic’ stance, as that’s an egotistical stance which Huya transits (or transits to your natal Huya) will then reveal as detriments or a lessening of your ‘brand’ or sense of personal power (real or imagined).

In going retrograde at 28 Scorpio, Huya is doing two things right off the bat: it’s ‘taking a turn’ in a degree which denotes mastery (suggesting we need to master something within the situation or within our Self) ... and it’s not fully conjuncting fixed star Toliman (at 29 Scorpio).

Not conjuncting it yet, that is.
 
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Fixed stars tend to represent ‘standing issues’ and ‘the background against which everything else gets set.’ And since in the world of fixed stars Toliman is a star which is relatively close to Earth, its issues tend to be more common, prevalent or ‘obvious’ to us than other stars. Spoken of by Ebertin (a famous fixed star astrologer) as expansive and possessed of a Jupiter-Venus quality, Toliman nevertheless is associated with peculiar situations which arise in, around, or possibly in spite of standing relationships ... and all of this is part of Huya’s station in that Huya will take its turn ‘in the face of’ Toliman - which is likely to manifest in any number of lives as those who turn around and go away (or blandly excuse themselves) after having ‘stirred up’ some sort of problem.

The Huya of it all here tells us that in many cases this combination is going to manifest simply as that - someone who goes away, or a situation which gets ‘backed away from’ (or which takes a turn which is then not publicly resolved) for some time - the  amount of time in this case like as not being at least until Huya goes direct on August 5 (2015).

And of course, as with all retrograde cycles it may take even longer - a notion anyone who’s had a really rancid Pluto transit knows well (oh, how some transits linger on ... and on ... and on ...). So the truth of this may well be that what we ‘face’ now (or what we ‘about face’ in the face of now) may not come back around for dealing with on any direct level until Huya returns to 28 Scorpio - an event which won’t even begin until November 2015. Even then, seeing as Huya is a relatively slow-moving object (in terms of its movement through zodiac degrees) once Huya does return to 28 Scorpio on November 2nd and lingers there for a couple of weeks (read: through November 26th), notions and inner understandings which need to be grown in association with 28 Scorpio (that which we grow to achieve ‘mastery’ of in our own mind, choice of actions or personality) may not be complete.

Yes, some of us are quick studies .,. and some of us are resistant, especially when it comes to Things Scorpio, a sign under which we tend to think (read: insist) that we’re right and “THEY” need to change (not us). For those who learn the first (or even second) time through, Huya’s subsequent passes become opportunities to utilize and improve on and polish one’s skills. Our current experience (the one which leads to Huya going retrograde on March 2nd, UT/+0) began this year back on January 10th - and that it began with Huya conjunct Charybdis suggest a need to ‘keep at it’ (whatever “it” is in your situation) in order to achieve you goal - or even some ‘level’ situation.

And still we’re not done. After Huya goes retrograde now (on March 2nd) and direct this coming November it will return to 28 Scorpio (in retrograde motion) on July 6, 2016 and after hanging there for a month goes station/direct at 28 Scorpio on August 7th, after which Huya remains at 28 Scorpio for another month until it finally vacates the degree premises (for another couple of hundred years) on September 8, 2016.

That’s a LOT of Huya at 28 Scorpio - almost two months of it now and two more months of this influence next year, after which Huya meets up with Toliman at 29 Scorpio and we get a ‘hurry up’ course in all those things we have been resisting about our Self ... which at the moment we’re still more or less intent on getting/gaining from (or through) others ... which, if we can find the emotional strength to accept and shift with will (in time) turn into an operational benefit.

It’s just we do have to wait. And we will have to do even more work (on our Self or our ‘side’ of things  most of all) to move ahead.

Even then we will meet up with glitches and course corrections and feedback which we could not have predicted, but which yes ... we will be all to happy to blame on someone else for not having mentioned.

Huya can represent a lot of ugliness in us, and in the lives which we experience. Then again, it can also represent the very best we have to offer. This cycle is one of many, reflecting this time and the year-plus ahead as one in which we can succeed through that which we have worked on and that which we have - and which we work to offer others. The 'Huya part' of it all lies in the idea that we have to be the one doing the offering ... and that what we offer must be, or be connected to something we learned through dint of experience. Such experience will have taught us some harsh realities ... and part of getting past them will be in recognizing how some of this world's most rewarding gifts are those we indeed need to learn ‘the hard way’ - and which we then share with all the strength of those hard-won lessons. But where we are constructive in spite of all, where we've learned that our ultimate enrichment lies in that which we do to enhance the lives of others which is the Huya notion, for Huya asks that we choose to act as a force for the enhancing of individual lives.

And it does that because Huya is the emblem of not who we started out being, but who we ultimately become.

You know... once we've mastered that Self of ours.
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Wednesday, February 25, 2015

Chaos-Achilles on Station



Clearing Storm
(photo credit: Rennett Stowe, 2013)

Though today’s world seems addicted to hyperbole and all things exotic and extreme (which doesn’t always equate to necessity no matter how loudly someone shouts or insists), I’m going to disappoint you by saying TNO Chaos isn’t necessarily at all ... or even vaguely chaotic.

In other words, if you’re looking to beat the drums of disaster, look elsewhere. The term ‘chaos’ as it is used today (to mean an unimaginable mess) - or rather I should say the redefinition of the term ‘chaos’ was made popular by a Roman poet named Ovid. He’s the guy who decided ‘chaos’ meant messy and unpredictable - not that the state wouldn’t exist anyway, but Ovid decided we should all use the term ‘chaos’ to describe said messy and unpredictable status.

The term itself, however, is much older. Dating back to Ancient Greece, the term ‘chaos’ originally wasn’t a negative at all - it meant a state of endless possibilities and fertile inspirations.

So what was Ovid’s problem? That, I don’t know. But the point of this point is not Roman, but Greek. In other words, all along its 309.1 year-long orbit the astrological TNO/Cubewano Chaos speaks to finding our way through various choices to that one course of action or presentation which has the lowest chance of being some ‘illusion’ which will trip us up (or compromise our efforts) and the greatest chance of being something we can either utilize well or embody as we continue about our life.

To this of course, we add the degree - which would be 17 Gemini, the degree of fixed star Rigel ... which somewhat changes the perspective as Rigel always speaks to a learning/teaching quotient of some sort. So are we looking for that which we can learn through and succeed? Are we about to meet up with some wonderful idea which we can teach/offer to others and thereby improve many things for many people?

Being that Chaos is a TNO (a Trans Neptunian Object, meaning Chaos orbits way out yonder beyond Neptune in the giant vastness of the Kuiper Belt) ... Chaos represents things which we haven’t encountered before. Effects will of course depend on how this point is aspected and positioned in your natal chart, but with its 300-plus year cycle Chaos covers only a third of the zodiac in any given century, representing what we would probably think of as the ‘general limits’ any given period ... what people think is valuable, interesting, enjoyable or (yes) possible to do at that time. 

Back in the year 1900 Chaos was in early Aquarius. So everyone alive today has Chaos in Aquarius, Pisces, Aires, Taurus or Gemini, with the change from 4th quadrant ‘big picture’/’global’ zodiac signs to the ‘learning how to be me’ 1st quadrant signs occurring as Chaos cycled back and forth across the 29 Pisces/0 Aries during 1952, finally committing to its transit of Aries as of February 20, 1953.

This is important in part because though Kuiper Belt objects are often things we have to work with individually, they’re seldom entirely personal (on an individual basis) ... something or someone else gets affected or is in mental play when we deal with TNOs. And because of that, there will be very different considerations being applied by those born before that 1953 date and those born after it, especially as Chaos moved into Aries and the zodiac’s first quadrant, splitting populations into two big groups - those born with a natural 4th quadrant ‘big picture’ natal feeling about possibilities (which would lead to  spending some, much or most of their life dealing with possibilities from a seemingly personal or individual perspective) versus those born with Chaos in a 1st quadrant sign (Aries, Taurus or Gemini) who are apt to see possibilities in terms of what they can make of their own life (as an individual) rather than what they can do to build (shape, contribute to) their world through developing or expressing their various Chaos possibilities, opportunities and inspirations.

a Cubewano/TNO Chaos orbital diagram at February 28, 2015
(diagram courtesy of JPL)
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Yet with all this nicely ‘us’ sort of thing said, Chaos is still a TNO. So its notions ... and on some level its application is always going to work best when not entirely personal - which might seem to favor those born before that magic February 20, 1953 date.

But it doesn’t ... not really. And why not? Answer: because while those born with Chaos in Aquarius or Pisces have some native orientation towards ‘big picture’ contemplations, they were also born under an astrological Age which has been phasing out for most of the past century. (Full disclaimer here: this question of when the Aquarian Age comes into force is one still being debated by astrologers. But considering how life on Planet Earth is now digital and technologically driven, that debate strikes me as unnecessary in the light of reality and facts.)

In any case, those born under the Age of Pisces may have been born with TNO Chaos in ‘big picture’ signs Aquarius or Pisces, but those born with Chaos in Aries, Taurus and Gemini were born into the Aquarian Age ... which isn’t exactly “addition is commutative” (meaning 2+3=5 is the same as 3+2=5) in terms of life experience but it does mean that in the end - give or take whether we start thinking globally or learn to think big picture and globally - both population groups will be called upon to integrate both quadrants in their (Chaos) plans.

(Does that mean part of the learning process on both sides will simply have to do with learning to respect each others’ process? Maybe. Whatever happens, this is an interesting way to think about why older and younger populations operate differently.)

(Also - please note, I’m not using the term ‘generation’ here - and that’s for a reason. Astrologically, generations separate and sort themselves out by the sign Pluto is positioned in at birth and I’d like not to get anyone confused on that point. If you’re an astrologer, it’s bad enough that mainstream societies around the world guesstimate generations without any rationale arising from any real timing mechanisms - as an astrologer I’d like not to add to this messiness!)

That 17 Gemini is a degree known for qualities of planning and needing plans if things are going to go well. It’s also known as one of Gemini’s ‘handy’ degrees with a distinct emphasis on the hands and what those hands get into, recalling the old saying ‘the burned hand teaches best’ - all of which are qualities bound to be encountered through whatever we do with (or about) matters which arise now or which have become sufficiently ‘Chaos-like’ (multifaceted) as to require some sort of plan, even if that plan is to react to each thing as it happens.

However ... along with Chaos going direct (meaning we’ll now be meeting up with possibilities which exist around us, which comes to us via others and which we find out about by participating in daily activities), asteroid Achilles is going retrograde.

A symbol of skill, Achilles is going retrograde at 16 Scorpio, a degree which wants much and which is known for ‘bad actors’ and people ‘acting out’ for all those negative emotional reasons we dislike so fervently in others: denial, rage, fear, jealousy, lack of trust or that ever-popular desire to control what others say, do, have or are. Known for its tendency to be judgmental and to imagine grievances where there are none to speak of, 16 Scorpio embodies everything which people do (and why they do it) when folks would rather focus on what they see as wrong in others rather than why they feel so passionately (not to mention negatively) about it.

In going retrograde in this degree, Achilles asks us to reflect on what we’re doing and why people are acting as they are. It asks us to not judge lest we be judged ... or if humanly (or humanely) possible, to work on getting a clear(er) view on who we are to be being so upset with others.

 Asteroid Achilles' orbital diagram at February
(diagram courtesy of JPL)
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Remember: this is Scorpio. And in Scorpio, we meet up with everything which has any possibility of unsettling us as Scorpio’s primary function - that of moving us past our ‘risk sticking point’ to where we are ready, willing and able to weather life’s raucous and untamed currents, storms and occasional emotional tsunamis. We’d like to think the storm is going to abate - but it isn’t. The thing about Scorpio is that it reflects whatever ‘hidden’ emotions WE bring with us, delivering to us whatever it is which will ‘satisfy’ or elicit our most base or basic vulnerabilities so that we can deal with them and be that truly capable person able to deal with the big world ocean of society when we get out there.

And for those who truly can’t deal with deep emotional water? For them, Scorpio is a warning - and for them, Achilles going retrograde here may just say ‘you’ve reached your limit’ while posing the question ‘do you have enough (Achilles) skill to get out of this?’

For some, what they see as Chaos possibilities now are attractive. For some, they’re highly unattractive. Whichever we meet up with, our job is to be (Achilles) skillful enough at living our own life to either avoid troubles, to take advantage of opportunities or to grapple with what we need to know/know how to do, lest we exceed our (Achilles) skill level and end up paying with what would otherwise have been our means to avail ourselves of opportunities, whether that means amounts to time, respect, money, stability or anything else.

These are not major stations. Most of us will move through these days of station allowance (February 26-March 2) with a few high points and a few moments where we decide not to step up to the plate. But since anything which happens in proximity to a solar eclipse has the potential to be important and/or part of the process of ‘breaking down’ walls which we build allegedly against the world but in reality to order to wall out some part of our Self we are less than thrilled about contending with openly and honestly, some people are going to meet up with Chaos now - and through that experience come to know a bit more about what their Achilles skills are ... and aren’t.
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Monday, February 23, 2015

You Were Searching ... (the Saturn-Neptune Edition)


(left) Saturn (Kronos) by Ivan Akimov (1802, Tretyakov Gallery, Moscow)
(right) Neptune by Angelo Bronzino
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This post is in response to someone searching for the term ‘Saturn conjunct Neptune’ - which is not just a subject well deserving of a search (whoever typed this one gets applause) ... it’s something I’ve done a lot of research on firstly because of that most human and obvious of reasons (Neptune and Saturn are very prominent in my chart) and secondly, because as I’ve said before, time and cycles of time have always fascinated me - and Saturn/Neptune is a known synodic cycle, said cycle being the time it takes for a pair of objects (in this case, Saturn and Neptune) to conjunct and then conjunct yet again.

Synodic cycles are interesting: they seem to mark chapters in human development, whether that pertains to us as an individual, or society in its own right. And since over the years I have looked into this particular planetary twosome, this is going to thus become the post I put all of that into - which is one of the other purposes for this blog: to record information for freely searchable future reference ... and in this case it’s my hope I get it all written down.

After all, if I don’t, there may have to be a Saturn conjunct Neptune II: Return to Impossible Possibilities.

Also: considering the many nuances to go through here, this is the only search term for today. (See what happens when you hit something I’ve studied in particular?)

And if by chance you’re thinking ‘this isn’t about me or MY chart,’ think again. Sure, you may not have Saturn conjunct Neptune natally. And you may indeed have a Saturn positioned somewhere which Neptune’s current 164-year orbit isn’t going to get to during your life span.

But you DO have a Neptune in your natal chart ... and Saturn only takes 29.46 years to toddle once around the Sun, during which time, transiting Saturn will conjunct your natal Neptune. For instance, if you were born between the years 1970 and 1984, give or take a couple of weeks at either end of this period when Neptune was either coming out of Scorpio or going into Capricorn, your Neptune is in Sagittarius. And since Saturn arrived in Sagittarius as of December 2014, at some point between December 2014 and December 2017 when Saturn moves its ringed self into Capricorn your Neptune is going to get conjuncted.


So I’m just sayin’ ... you might want to read.

Besides, 2026 will eventually get here.

That date aside for the moment (I’ll get back to it), most astrologers (or astrologists, as some prefer) would agree that to put Saturn and Neptune into the same astrological breath, sentence or conjunction is very much akin to be connecting that which is tangible with something which is intangible in real time ... which if you think about it is just a tad hard. Saturn defines everything which ... well, everything which can be defined. It represents realities and facts as things we can depend on and structure our life around (Saturn) or on.

So this conjunction is connecting the highly definite with that which is Neptune and thus quintessentially nebulous...? Yes, it is. We’re talking about conjuncting Saturn with that which not only can never be defined but which always ends up revealing some vulnerability in US when we go to rely on it ... at which point we suddenly discover what we thought was so real is actually an illusion.

OUR illusion.

That would be very Saturn-Neptune, a quotient in which the Neptunian side of the thing can never be proven - it can only be trusted or relied on in faith.

Sometimes the Saturn in this pairing represents the strength with which we deal with some Neptunian weakness or vulnerability. Sometimes Neptune represents the softening of Saturn's exacting edge, allowing for a bit of humanity all around. With Neptune around, all can be wonderful if you don’t have to depend on it, which is why Things Neptunian include the lovely dream, the inspirational moment and that universal if ill-defined moment when on the brink of slipping into slumber all is released without prejudice, care or conscious effort.

Neptune's rings (photo credit: NASA-JPL)
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And yes, Neptune can be the very essence of the haunted personality which manifests in any number of maladaptive and generally repetitive cycles even when someone knows full well that things are just fine.

If a human could be said to be spooked by their own shadow, that shadow would be their astrological Neptune. Neptunian things exist and often flourish so long as you trust them ... and Saturn represents that state of being which exists in reality. Granting that from sign to sign and house to house any set of symbols manifest differently, people with a natal Saturn-Neptune conjunction may excel in one area of their life and yet have substantial issues in another such as in the case of someone who is able to survive a lot of rough-and-tumble in their career with barely a break in stride but who at the same time is hugely sensitive. Or maybe they’d be sensitive to their own insecurities, but still perfectly capable of being hugely insensitive to insecurities in others. Seeing that on some level Saturn always refers to our ‘career’ in life, Saturn-Neptune can also indicate a Saturn career in any typically Neptunian field such as the arts, pharmaceuticals, the oil industry, charity work - or any of the helping professions which help those unable to help themselves in some regard.

Because this conjunction is going to get transited (over and over again) in any natal chart, which planet numerically comes first will also have some bearing on how the person experiences life: Saturn is all about clarity - sometimes even to the point of chilling clarity, and Neptune is a shifting, ever-present and ever-changing fog. With Saturn first and Neptune numerically second, barriers, facts and limits (the Saturn part of life) will tend to get ‘fuzzier’ or melted away as the planet which transits Saturn moves on to Neptune. So maybe everything is tough until you try it and then (much to your relief) things turn out not to be as bad as you thought they would be. Or maybe you’re someone who is diligent and uber-determined until something bursts your Neptune bubble, dream or illusion. Can you reassemble yourself? And if Neptune is transited first, will you learn to trust the process and to try as hard as you can on faith - a quality Saturn generally honors unless we’re trying to do something which is utterly Neptunian and unrealistic to begin with?

Saturn-Neptune by conjunction asks whether reality, whether or not we conceive of that as our reality or not, is worth trusting. This isn't easy; the natal square between these two symbols is known for all sorts of 'coping mechanisms' which either mimic or are out-and-out personal addictions. The conjunction isn't known for such manifestations, but the fact that the square is tells us that this intersecting of the "Is Factor" and "Maybe, if..." quotients are something natives either (Saturn) work to learn to harness responsibly (taking their 'medicine' along the way) or which they (Neptune) accept should be offered on faith but never insisted on, as insistence is a manifestation of ego (i.e., 'my way is the right way') and therefore contrary to core Neptunian values, which in conjunction to Saturn would indicate a 'dissolving' of what gets built, despite best intentions.

So this conjunction usefully asks whether we are willing to ‘see’ clearly and see beyond today. And yesterday, too - which could sometimes be even harder what with all Neptune's inbuilt-wistfulness (read: insecurity in and about time) and Saturn’s time-bound preference for the timely, the real, the proven, the status quo and certainly that which is blatantly proven by history.

Yes, even if given Neptune's presence Saturn's version of history could be include a little 'fuzzy calculus' and preferential editing in the mix.

This conjunction occurs every 37 years or so - over this past century there was one Saturn-Neptune conjunction in early Leo back in 1917, a second Saturn-Neptune conjunction in 1952-1953 in Libra, and a third Saturn-Neptune meeting in 1989 (into the earliest part of 1990) in Capricorn.

Furthermore, each one of these conjunctions came with its own special quirk. The Leo conjunction was in trine to dwarf planet Eris (discord), which on one hand marks this as a time when these planets by transit would indicate WWI ... and on the other (as a natal indicator) would speak to those who ‘came out of this period’ able to see challenges as motivation, as negatives - or as opportunities, any part of which could be used to benefit All (and therefore the Self as part of that All) ... or no one but the Self as part of a search for achievement and personal success.


Those with a Libra Saturn/Neptune conjunction have been faced with a substantially different dynamic. Currently in their early 60s, these people haven’t faced the internal yea-or-nay of the Saturn/Neptune-conjunct-in-Leo group, but then their general Saturn mission didn’t include the (Saturn) long-term Leo lesson in development of Self. Instead, this Libra Saturn/Neptune group has been getting a life doctorate on the subject of how to get along (and not get along) with others ... (nicely folded into) .... how to get them to get along (or not get along) with you. This conjunction in Libra differs from the Leo version also in that Saturn in Leo is Saturn in a sign (of detriment) where Saturn tends to act pushy (even arrogant), where Saturn in Libra aims for the noble and good thing and has to hone the Self along the way to getting there.

The problem is simple - and quite understandable, actually. Ultimately Saturn asks what we are willing to make of our Self and its promise is that others (and life, and the world) will reward us for what we’ve earned. So since Leo is all about developing that Self, that leaves us to applaud ourselves - which is not only not much fun, but which when done with a bit of Leo drama sounds a bit odd.

And yes, sometimes a touch arrogant - sometimes when all that a Saturn/Neptune in Leo person is doing is having a bit of personal fun.

(And yes, therein lies the problem, on occasion.)

Saturn in Libra is entirely different. Libra being the sign all about our relationship to others (and this world) and how the world (and others) react to us depending on who we really (Saturn) are and who we have (Saturn) worked to become ... Saturn in Libra becomes the hallmark and essence of what you put out comes back to you - which underlies why Saturn in Libra is a positive if the native is honest with themselves about who they are and what they are doing with the understanding that they are only going to get back what they put out there.

'Shadow of Demarcation' - In this photograph, Saturn's upper hemisphere is tinted
in green and blue and its lower hemisphere appears in
more creamy, warm-hued tones
(photo credit NASA JPL)
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And then we factor in Neptune, which in Libra - a sign ruled by Venus - emphases the ‘hands off’ side of relationship, namely that which is platonic in the highest humanistic sense of the term. With Saturn, such a Neptune can indicate a negative blindness or a positive willingness to (Saturn) work interactively on (Neptune) faith - of some sort.

The tendency with Libra involved is to think that we need to have faith in them ... where the reality is that we need to have faith in our ability to be our Self in spite of whoever ‘they’ are - or in spite of whatever happens.

We don’t want to think that.

It’s true anyway.

As for what interesting modifier this conjunction is connected to, that would be Ixion.

Yes, Ixion the Plutino.
 

The thing about saying Ixion is a Plutino (for those who don’t want to go read the whole Ixion saga at the moment) is that while yes, the term ‘Plutinos’ is a reference to Pluto, what it means in terms of our current conversation is how like dwarf planet Pluto, Ixion’s orbit around the Sun is controlled and modified by Planet Neptune’s magnetic resonance.

So it’s back to Neptune.

Also unlike the Eris-to-Neptune/Saturn connection: that was a trine. Ixion to Saturn/Neptune is by conjunction, and that’s a whole other animal. Trines are about things already in motion where conjunctions refer to embodiment or being so directly confronted with something as to be either ‘saddled’ with it, unable to see it for what it truly is (good or bad), or so much in sync with/part of it that it is easy to (Neptune) assume that (Saturn) you’re the only party (Saturn) responsible for anything. Or maybe even everything ... (Neptune) imagine that.

This ‘Neptunian loop’ (or ‘echo,’ if you prefer) may  seem to make it harder to recognize some (Saturn)  realities as the realities they are - a situation which can simultaneously lead to insecurity on the inside and difficulties on the outside even while the ‘double helping’ of Neptune may well lend an ability to endure a lot even while you’re (as they say...) crying on the inside, knowing there’s nothing to do but surrender to the reality of whatever is going to (Saturn) be/become the (Saturn) reality you’re going to be (Neptune) inspired by next.

Probably more than either the other two conjunctions during the 1900-1999 period, this Ixion - Saturn - Neptune conglomeration is probably ripe to be affected more by house placement as well. The strong houses for Saturn will be the 7th, 10th and 11th, meaning effort is easy to summon up and/or maintain as required. The difficult houses for Saturn will be those in opposition to the above - namely the 1st, the 4th and/or the 5th, reflecting a Saturn placement which will tend to test the boundaries of any personal (1st house) agreement, long (4th house) term responsibilities and sort of as we discussed with regards to Leo (Leo being the natural sign of the 5th house) issues with frustration and often enough, rates of gratification.

But strength isn’t always a good thing. If we equate strength to loudness, there is a point at which your ears hurt, after all. So where Saturn may trend towards ‘overdoing’ either through action, insistence or restriction when positioned in the 10th or 11th (its  houses of natural rulership, challenging us to set limits as a measure of discipline on the Self), Neptune in the 12th represents a tendency to be very hard on one’s self with regards to ‘measuring up’ if  simultaneously unrealistic when it comes to the distinct probability that the dreams being held so dear would not be so wonderful in reality ... or that they are merely ill-conceived or unfeasible, all of which is a variation on the Neptune in 12 tendency to place faith in ideals to a greater degree than others in such a way to risk (and incite) greater disappointments and a greater sense of overall vulnerability which in Leo would be about the Self, in Libra would be about the validity of the relationship (whether it’s based on anything real) and/or whether others can be trusted.

And all that is without Saturn even being part of the picture.

As for the 1989 Saturn-Neptune conjunction in Capricorn, that one occurred in conjunction with Facies, a nebula long referred to in astrology as a ‘fixed star’ simply because astrological names come from a time long before telescopes could differentiate between a distant single star and the sort of distant star cluster known to us as a nebula.

Whatever name used, Facies has a reputation for presenting ‘complications’ and complicated scenarios, which in a sign about achievement and worldly standing (Capricorn) speaks to challenges neither easily dismissed nor easily worked through.

Two of Saturn's moons, Rhea in the foreground and tiny Epimetheus in the background
orbit with Saturn in the background and Saturn's rings all around.
(photo credit: Cassini Spacecraft - ISS, JPL, ESA, NASA)
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With Neptune in Capricorn evoking everything from powerful illusions to illusions of power amidst a general questioning of what ‘world standing’ means ... with all this cast against Saturn in Capricorn’s strictly structural (and structurally strict) standards for achievement, most of the ‘fallback’ positions became all about holding into (or reverting to) some a status quo, sometimes even when said status quo was plainly outmoded. And all of which has ... and is likely to continue playing out in the lives of those born during this time as experiences which are as introspective (Saturn-Neptune) as speculative (Neptune-Saturn) ... with plenty of questioning between.

And then, about the time these people reached twenty-two (which for the record would be just after their first Chiron square), along came 2011 ... and Pluto’s conjunction of Facies - which would also be Pluto conjuncting the Saturn/Moon in the chart of any person or other entity (businesses, products, nations, organizations, etc.) ‘born’ during this time.


If you’re one of these people (or you own or are part of some company or whatnot founded during this 1989 time) you’ve probably noticed how messy these past couple of years have been. The worst of it would have been in 2011 through January 2013, but Pluto has only exited the orb of conjunction to this Saturn-Neptune conjunction as of November 2014.

And now Scheat is going to get eclipsed - which means anyone with this conjunction is going to have their Saturn-Neptune eclipsed, a three-year process which is bound to strip away many built-up walls (physical, emotional and otherwise) as we all learn that though life may not be what we want it to be, it still can be good. Productive. Worth being part of.

We just have to get past our Self ... and ourselves.

In conjuncting Facies, Pluto would also be conjuncting the Saturn/Neptune conjunction in these charts at a time when the young adults living those lives were just realizing some things (Chiron) can’t be learned in advance: you have to live through them and work with them in order to learn from them - or about them.

Some members of this natively Pluto-in-Scorpio generation will have reacted well enough. Others will have reacted by running scared (fear being the negative side of Saturn’s energetic) and still others will have felt discouraged or confounded by something unexpected altering their plans. Whichever group they belong to, much of their positions on things and overall priorities will begin to change as we move through 2017 into 2018 - the period during which this group will arrive at their first Saturn return and become (as we all do) more real, realistic and practical about life as a whole.

As for the next Saturn-Neptune conjunction, Saturn will begin catching up to Neptune (i.e., it will enter the five-degree orb of conjunction) during April of 2025  with Saturn and Neptune perfecting their conjunction (initiating another 37 year Saturn-Neptune synodic cycle) on February 20, 2026 - which I told you I would get back to (and now I have). Since this conjunction occurs in Aries, this will have Saturn in the sign opposite that (Libra) in which Saturn is exalted and where Saturn’s ability to ‘require’ standards manifests as a need for integrity of thought, in one’s words and with regards to agreements, lest all one does come (in time, time being Saturn’s byline) to nothing.

Or at least nothing you intended it to be.

Furthermore, in occurring at 0 Aries this conjunction is accompanied by not one, but two fixed stars: orange star Deneb Katos (Beta Ceti) in constellation Cetus and famously fixed red star Scheat - which in being at 29 Pisces is in line to be hit by this March’s 29 Pisces Solar Eclipse with exacting exactitude.

Said to bring a harshness and qualities of restraint and limitation, the first of these stars (Deneb Katos) isn’t written about much. But its constellation (Cetus) though popularly depicted today as a whale, originated with the idea of a classic ‘sea monster.’ And yet, this is the first star in the zodiac lists (by degree order). So is this star about the process of ‘being born,’ or ‘giving birth’ to something in one’s life, making the ‘whale’ more of a ‘whale of a job’ and the ‘sea monster’ the oceanic depths of Pisces just ‘behind’ and our instinctive desire to avoid and (if possible) deny our own vulnerabilities?

As for Scheat, Scheat is a star which in most general terms is about being denied or denying something ... generally to, or about others. And for good or ill, that fits certain modes of both Saturn and Neptune. Neptune effects are often said to ‘veil’ us - or the truth, depending on how willing we are to face our own feelings (and where they come from), particularly with regards to lingering feelings of vulnerability, that being what often sets Scheat dynamics off, whether in us or on the part of those we are interacting with - which is a good part of Scheat’s Piscean, critical degree presence.

When Scheat is triggered, nobody responds as you think they will - or as you think they should, or as you would hope they would because right is right and facts are facts and all that. That doesn’t mean things will work out badly, but it does virtually ensure that we will feel badly. And since Pisces as a sign is all about getting us to feel, and in particular about getting us to explore our most human and problematic human, mortal feelings, that’s about reality.

And reality is symbolized by Saturn.

Also to consider with any such conjunction: the state of the planet ruling the sign. Obviously the Sun (ruler of Leo) never goes retrograde, but Venus (ruler of Leo) does, Saturn (ruler of Capricorn and co-ruler of Aquarius) does and so does that spicy little ruling planet associated with Aries named Mars.

If the planetary ruler of this conjunction is retrograde in the nativity, in the return chart for that planet (anywhere along the lifeline) or a solar return chart, this conjunction will be turned inward ... or at least need to function/be functional 'internally' before anything which is going to (Neptune) satisfy the native is going to be (Saturn) done. Matters which pertain to this conjunction will also tend to be somewhat delayed or require/be in the process of getting a restructuring, some 'reconceiving' or some 'reinventing' during periods when that planetary ruler of the conjunction goes retrograde. 

Also ... as touched on earlier, transits to Saturn conjunct Neptune depend in part on which planet numerically comes first, as that’s the planet which is going to be transited first, sort of ‘setting the scene’ for that which follows. conjunction can be problematic. Currently in Sagittarius, Saturn itself will be entering Capricorn in late 2017 - just as Saturn comes into orb to sextile Neptune, representing an opportunity.

Will we take advantage of that opportunity when it comes along? Or will we not realize that the reality we’re resisting is meant to be our own?

That’s an answer well worth searching out - which in this case would mean searching within.

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To the Person who searched for "Saturn conjunct Neptune,"

Are you still glad you asked?

Seriously, I hope this is of some help to you ... and others. It's not the world's easiest configuration, but some very accomplished people have this conjunction in their chart (which among other things proves that we can get past the Saturn-Neptune habit of creating some 'reality' in our mind which turns out to be OUR reality ... but not that of anyone else!).

But some people with this conjunction do find ways to use it well. In fact, it may be that very separation - that of success (which is a Saturn quotient) from satisfaction (which is far more Neptunian) which lies at the heart of many of the challenges you (assuming this is your configuration) will experience. So if you can keep those two things separate as you utilize the strength and grace of this configuration while doing each to your level best within the astrological boundaries provided (no running afoul, please), there is much to be (Saturn) learned and gained - which whether you (Neptunian) know it or not will (Saturn) earn a satisfaction few who do not spend a lifetime wrestling with the finer points of (Neptune) infinite (Saturn) finality will ever know. 

All the Best,
Boots
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